There is no other way for mankind to have been saved and redeemed except through the sacrificial offering of God Himself, totally innocent and obedient, to God the Father. The founding document of the FSSP contains lies and heresy. And we must distinguish between the two. Other times we are eloquent, seem knowledgeable and other times appear foolish. Voris has done much good and I used to enjoy him but now I actively avoid him. Pequannock, NJ From one not typical traditionalist to another (Im a sedevacantist, you know that radioactive, flea-bitten & lice infested group rejected by all,) I agree with lots of what you say. Dayton, OH North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. marian, Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. Questions: (4) What you all may be missing and maybe why Voris is really hitting this now, is that FSSP doesnt have a bishop, but if perverse Fairy Whore(hey!) Weve got bigger fish to fry. Dear Scott, Please look more closely at this. The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. And Taylor was hardly the only former staffer to have concerns about how the college was run. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. Philip Wolfe, FSSP. I cant believe it! Hope it may help someone to understand the complexity of it all. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. With Advent upon us, the evident threats posed from the secular world compel us all to make concerted efforts to keep Jesus as the reason for the season.. 1 reason is the position we take. But if the situation is such that no connection whatsoever with the rest of the Church can be justified, then what you really have to be advocating is full-blown sedevacantism. A group like CMRI *does* accept those consequences, quite readily; they are not bothering to depend on any bishops but their own for their apostolates. Using the principle of By their fruits you will know them the FSSP is now showing more and more bad fruit. The FSSP constitutions in 2003 bound the FSSP to the document that contains lies and heresy. Barbara ChurchMilitant and M. Voris started this. Fort Worth, TX (opposite to voris) I would imagine quite the opposite, im sure this approach has caused louie a great deal of problems as of late. (Or he was last time I was around there, at any rate. I was reading the blogger Leo over on Catholic Truth Scotland and he said a priest once described Vatican II as human respect, dogmatized. What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. That is a lie. Saguto FSSP arrives in Seattle the week of October 1st and will begin offering Mass at St. Joseph Chapel (located in the Josephinum) until a more permanent location is found. All of us have a duties as Catholics. Im curious as to why hes no longer in charge (though im not surprised). Dear Adam 95, I understand the point you're trying to make when you state that people thought the same of the Great & Venerated Saint Who ate locusts & foretold the Coming of the Redeemer and they did. It must be pointed out that validity is not the central issue. The Catholic Church has not released a public list of clergy members who have been credibly accused of sexual misconduct or assault. Calumny is a sin where one tells a lie with the intention of harming the reputation of another. OBITUARIES. Why should this action with the SSPX have any meaningful import? Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. In real life, the sounds I hear are absolutely luscious and absolutely glorious. (See above. We can end the discussion on this subject . Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. The fear of being disobedient to (modernist) Popes made so many many Catholics in the last 50 years compromise. Calgary, AB Im also reminded of Dr.Taylor Marshalls involvement of Fisher More College and am still in the dark as to many of the details. Heres the truth: The SSPX refuses to sign a statement saying the Vatican II is an integral part of the tradition of the Church. It is this to which they refuse to submit, not the legitimate authority of the pope. Louie February 22, 2023 Blog Post No Comments. 3:00pm Closing Talk - Fr. Apr 20, 2020. This is the depths to which mens minds can sink when they are not moored to the pursuit of truth. Their website didnt say where he was going. God bless you. El Paso, TX Thank you for discussing it. He refuses to engage the people he criticizes directly. A cardinal such as Cardinal Burke should speak the truth no matter what the modernist destroyers want. The schismatic Orthodox bishops and priests are validly ordained too. Either one is a Catholic or a heretic. In exercising one of mine here, it must be said that the Dimond Bros. teach against several Sent.certa teachings of Holy Mother Church. Another is the fallen-nature blindness that affects us all and inclines us to take for granted things that we are used to: be it a spouse, family, friends, health, employment, position, or other things. We wait for the coming of the Son of God-made-Man, the focal point of all history, the only God there is, born to hang on a Cross and redeem us from our sins. 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. This gossip fest is now less scintillating than a junior high school girl spat in the Bronx after a game of Double Dutch. The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. The Church is in a grave crisis, and we all have to make our own way for the sake of our souls and those of our families. Fr. Yes Archbishop Lefebvre wouldnt be disobedient unless it was to protect the Faith. Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. Fr. And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. I assume, perhaps wrongly, that anyone who engages in any way with the Dimonds espouses their stance against Church teaching on BOD and BOB & other things I'll not mention here but you know what they are , I hope. dear salvemur, More like battle weary at times while being good soldiers of Christ. Wolfes earlier talks (2003-2006) on audio sancto. And it comes from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth. As for Michael Voris, I dont watch or follow him in any way. I do encourage more investigation and I hope Justice is somehow given to all those harmed by the take down of Fisher More College. For anyone who wishes to gain knowledge on the position, the information is out there. Today, he is unwilling even to address those specific conciliar propositions that are so clearly at odds with the tradition of the Church, and why this is the case isnt exactly a mystery. Of course not. To spread this kind of crap (totally unsubstantiated) around for thousands to read is sinful. in the Mass prayers of Advent. Surely not all folks who are waking to the reality of the Counterfeit Church assume those who have already woken up are ipso facto smug? For this reason Catholics must be wary of them. dear marian& all, In reality, it is far more likely the case that it was used with permission, tacit or otherwise, thanks perhaps to Terry Carroll and his Mater Dei connection. You said it much better than I. I was immediately attacked when I posted a response. Im pretty much thinking the same thing. UPDATE: Having just received a message from a friend on the ground, Im happy to clarify that Fr. Gerard Saguto, FSSP. Sacramento, CA Vennari & I agree on (almost) nothing, obviouslybut I see that hes not gotten involved in this most recent Voris-shtick. He is in control, and our fidelity in things both small and large is what obtains for us the supernatural insights into His very life and designs. Our only fault is that we have not taken this position. Look, if Michael had a genuine change of heart such that he now feels compelled to change his previous (and well disseminated) stance of these matters, he would address them head on. Well, Im not basing what I say on Marshall I have good friends who were there, too, on staff (though their opinions and mine do not perfectly coincide on this affair, I should add). We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. Sad. Over 160 bishops in your country and 6 in mine, along with dozens of others around the world have invited this Society of St. Peter into their diocese. since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. Terry, for his part, quickly took on what my friend called his own jihad against the SSPX shortly thereafter. They are within the Church. make use of all the sacraments in the (old rite) at places like the FFSP , ICKSP etc this is where it can become a little complicated while these places offer all sacraments in the (old rite) they are in what we hear voris and others saying full communion with/under rome meaning that they are under the jurisdiction of the local bishop and cant/dont attack issues like the second vatican council. FSSP, Diocese of Providence Christine Rousselle is a former DC Correspondent for Catholic News Agency. Those of us who dont have a dog in the fight would rather read about something more important. The good taste and good judgement of this project is thanks to the pastor, Fr. I still hadnt found out who Fr. Then I would place bells and whistles around the comment! While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. Just one full-communion Catholic educational environment where debate over the impact and soundness of a monumentally disruptive 50 year old council might take place? So whats the opposite of human respect, piety? Meaning the official constitutions and public documents between Rome & the FSSP. But thats definitely not the position of the SSPX. Back in the day, Voris, out of genuine concern for souls, used to lambaste the new Mass as a danger to the faith. I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. Berg celebrated a Low Mass at 6:30 a.m. that Saturday morning in the SEAS Chapel. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. We here at Church Militant have one concern here: Despite stupid claims that we are doing this for money, we are concerned about the souls of our fellow Catholics. Denton, NE (Seminary) This detraction and extreme lack of charity to say nothing about factual errors has got to be challenged. Saguto, FSSP is the District Superior for the North American District of the Fraternity of St. Peter, and gives retreats, conferences, and days of reflection across the country. When Pope John Paul II had the Assisi meeting Archbishop Lefebvre pleaded with the good Cardinals like Siri and Oddi to make a public protest to defend the honor of the Church. All rights reserved. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. Thank you, john6. He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. Father Wolfe has been transferred in the normal round of these and is obviously needed elsewhere. But the new campus lease turned out not to be sustainable, either, just a reprieve in execution of sentence, and it is astonishing to me that he thought it could be otherwise. "I think today a lot of those devotions are missed," Father Stinson said. Gerard Saguto, FSSP We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. FORT WAYNE. That said, we all have differing personalities, ways of expressing ourselves that can even vary from day to day. This rendition of an Internet TV Network has NOTHING to do with the Catholic Faith. 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