Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Radical Catholic Reactionaries. [21] Marshall, on his YouTube channel, regularly comments on statements from Vigan. Thats why. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). R4R is going to settle the debate in the coming weeks. I called him yesterday. It's really disappointing to see two Allies so publicly argue. #TnT1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTcyTZ_Yc02 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMTNjOjDmjM 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKimOr9RRCI 4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9v0RUlqMQ 5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQUjt0uZv-g 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJ_EX1UPtA7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-AG_nBPhH4 8 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YmEMbyttCs The Catholic Talk Show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9w8fxlmP4 Why we need to stop validating the word feminism (namely its toxic meaning) with some kind of nice adjective, like Christian feminism, new feminism.. So God wills first and foremost that all human persons come to the Catholic religion, to find the fullness of truth. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. (1:50 PM), Thats what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. I dont believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. In this video, I address the recent controversy surrounding Taylor Marshall's comments on the SSPX, Dave and Tim Gordon's reactions to it, and arguments that. It is not that God wishes many persons to be in religions which lack the fullness of truth. UPDATED 5/14/19 to add: Taylor Marshall was an Episcopalian priest until May of 2006, when he left the Episcopalian priestly ministry to become Catholic. (Also, secretly blocking someone as you tweet someone that youre available is insane.) Show me where I called you a single name. Pope St. Leo IX: By passing a preceding judgment on the great See, concerning which it is not permitted any man to pass judgment, you have received anathema from all the Fathers of all the venerable Councils. So the seventh accusation is patently false. Yeah, right. [8][9] Prior to his administrative work at the college, he was a professor of philosophy. Timothy replied in that discussion thread: Its not a matter of opinion. Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) Bottom line: Timothy Gordon is clearly trying to reach out to Taylor and stop the disunity; Taylor Marshall wants no part of it. (3:04 PM), I dont believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. And thats just what it is, guessing. NOT TOO LATE! Weve said this over and over on TnT (TnT is his video series with Timothy Gordon.) Cant be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. (3:04 PM), Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. VIGANO Part 2 [Podcast] . However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic . Are they clarifying or scarifying? Eric Sammons replied to Shaw on Twitter (. Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. In this episode, you will learn: Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by torrentum, Apr 16, 2020. . Ill do it anytime. (9:50 PM), Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. this morning, actually. I don't care to watch Taylor Marshall anymore. He never said. Mind your business Steve. NOT TOO LATE! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. Sometimes they bark at perceived threats, sometimes they bark at each other, but the howling never ceases. The Patrick Coffin Show podcast features weekly interviews with A-list influencers and outliers in the effort to recover the Judeo-Christian roots of the culture. (3:39 PM), Nonsense. (1) No Pope can teach heresy or grave error. Taylor Marshall is a heretic and a schismatic. Do not be deceived, my fellow Catholics. On 15 April 2020 I documented the fracas when Marshall abruptly terminated the contract of his associate in many videos, Timothy Gordon. Honesty check time, (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually schismatic attitude in many/most attendees (but not all). There are two hawks in LaBelle. Distinctions matter[.] Unfortunately, we have a number of chieftains, some with significant egos; and no William Wallace. I mean, have Taylor and Tim never heard of private messaging or text messaging? 'Jesus Revolution': Talking to Jonathan Roumie, Defense of Vatican II vs. Oliveira Leonardo's Attacks, Tertullian's Eucharistic Theology: Lucas Banzoli vs. J.N.D. Because there are so many other awesome channels out there, and knowing this man publicly berated those who accept FSSP or NO in their life pilgrimage is no different than calling them rabble. EWTN, Catholic Answers or their personal blog? Something happened to men in the last 50 years. Mirus begins by mocking Marshall and then descends into ad hominem attacks like this one: "discussing the book is rather like pointing . They do not teach the love of God, nor the love of neighbor. Not just VC2. For the penalty for formal schism is automatic excommunication, making him also unworthy to receive Communion. I do. Marshall: theyre accusing him of the canonical delict of heresy. But the meaning of the Council inheres in the text, The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! [6] In 2009 Marshall earned his Master of Arts degree in philosophy, and in 2011 earned a Doctor of Philosophy degree in philosophy, at the University of Dallas. Tim appeared regularly on Marshall's YouTube show until early 2020, with the pair calling themselves TNT - Taylor and Tim. (4-14-20, 4:34 PM), I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. Reactionary Trads or Catholic Radical Reactionaries believe the following: * 1. You may not stand in judgment over the Pope. So Taylor Marshall is publicly accusing Pope Francis of teaching multiple heresies. The above three dogmas are well-established in Church teaching. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. Now lets review the teaching of the Church on the subject of the papal gifts of immunity from error and a never-failing faith. torrentum, Thank you for posting this to let us know. On 8 September 2021, Shaw wrote on his Twitter page: It is high time that everyone realised that Taylor Marshall has no understanding of any of the issues he talks about. He later revealed exactly why he was snubbed: For the annals of history: I didnt leave. I was non-renewed against my wishes. Required fields are marked *. But the other fault lines inherent in such an arbitrary and quasi-schismatic movement were bound to come out sooner or later. whilst simultaneously supporting burgeoning numbers of professional scribes. Taylor Marshall is a schismatic and a heretic, and therefore is not properly called a Catholic. [2] After studying at Westminster Theological Seminary and Nashotah House, Marshall was ordained a priest of the Episcopal Church in 2006 by Jack Iker, the Bishop of Fort Worth who later established the Anglican Church of North America's Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth. He is putting himself above the Pope, to judge his teachings to be gravely erroneous. He is refusing to be taught by Pope Francis. Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). They have eight children. Im fine. (4:38 PM), People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. And he states this again, more specifically later in the video. When they reach the seventh accusation against Pope Francis, Marshall again accuses the Pope of heresy. but for all negative comments about them. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. Whoever writes that Patheos blog seems to be a nasty piece of work. Home The Slow Death of ManhoodDr. Im saying that formal adherence to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. You are living in objective sin and leading others into that sin, by your heresy and schism. Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. He was acting as a good father. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon are one of the funniest Catholic guys on Youtube. He wont call back. This shouldnt be engaged in public. Good bye Mr Taylor. Sep 08, 2021. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon knock it outta da park HERE. What, Marshall seems to be asking, would Rambo do? These types of religions hinder the path of salvation, and are will by God only in the sense that He wills to permit sin because of free will. I was being snubbed. 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God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. As they go through the seven accusations, Marshall and Gordon essentially assume that Francis does teach these seven alleged errors. This sounded very familiar. He threw all 'boomers' under the bus and not all of them drank the V2 koolaid. Tag Archives: Timothy Gordon Post navigation. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz Im not Trad enuf for biz expsn. Any Catholics who says about the Pope: I resist him to his face is a schismatic. And since Marshall does accuse Pope Francis of heresy, later in the video, he is not in submission or communion with the Pope. The current dust-up has far more potentially serious. It is not submission to acknowledge that Pope Francis is the Pope. Catholics are drama queens[.] Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. At the same time, Church Militant/Michael Voris is doing an expose on alleged pedophile coverups in the SSPX. Timothy Gordon. God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. "Dr. Taylor Marshall's The Eternal City takes the reader deep into the Catholic origins of the Apostolic Faith." - Bishop James Conley, D.D., S.T.L. It needs to stop. Now they havent judged him, obviously no one can do that. They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. They talk about tough things but have a good time! What if its true, Eric? I dont care about the business model. Honesty check time[.] You are wrong on all of these things. Another wrong SSPX talking point. God bless our most holy, ardent, bold, yet obedient priests of the TLM! Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. Same here but for a different reason. [13][14] He actively promotes traditionalist Catholicism through his various websites, blog posts, podcasts, and YouTube videos. [2:41 PM), Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! To fulfill the positive precepts required of Catholics, we must submit our minds and hearts to the teachings of the Magisterium, including non-infallible teachings of the Pope. (1:47 PM), There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Acta non verba. Shock horror. Care to say more than a drive-by insult, Fr Khouri? All this time I thought "Jesus Revolution" Film & the Sacrament of Baptism. This critique hinges on the implicit denial of Catholic doctrine and prudence: dismissal of the conspiracy because it is a conspiracy. Thats my ecclesiastical position. Ronald L. Conte Jr. The errors are only a matter of degree here. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. In October 2019, Marshall received media attention for publicizing an incident at the Catholic Church's Amazon Synod in which Alexander Tschugguel and an accomplice filmed themselves removing indigenous fertility statues, reportedly of Pachamama, from the Church of Santa Maria in Traspontina in Rome and throwing them into the Tiber river. I reached out to Tim this morning. And we must accept the Pope, not merely as someone who holds an office, but truly as our very own Teacher and Shepherd. And yet his accusers ignore his statements which agree with their point of view! I just dont want this dragging out in public. In this video, I critique Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon's portrayal of Henri de Lubac's theology of nature and grace. Too many apologists are gurus with groupies. (9-7-21), LIVE: Defending FSSP/ICK from Taylor Marshall (9-8-21). I read somewhere that it has something to do with the Society of St. Pius X, a group in an "irregular situation" regarding canonical status due to the founder's excommunication, but I'm not sure how exactly involved they are in the Marshall vs Gordon thing. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. Im of the opinion that TM is an opportunist who does more harm than good bc he keeps the barking going. (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. T his is part 1 of a three part series on the three visions given by Our Lady of Fatima. Another wrong SSPX talking point. Thus, when there are disagreements, how can two mini-popes with their little online fiefdoms resolve a difference? [2] He is a founder of the New Saint Thomas Institute, an online Catholic theology educational program, and the Troops of Saint George, a Catholic scouting organization. Is there actually a breaking point? The original story was that he was apparently leaving to focus on his own podcast series or something like it and that it was a relatively amicable departure. Its destructive and wrong. We should be afraid were we to fail to work fraternally to walk together in life.. Now he is attacking people whose sandals he is unworthy to untie. I dont think theyre formally schismatic, but its a case by case determination that is impossible to make unless you speak to the individual Kook yelling novus ordo is invalid!, Just tried calling you. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. Please disown that, For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. I said Ive reached out several times in the New Year w/ scarcely a response. Anyways, I kind of enjoyed these podcasts when I had the free time and was still learning about Catholicism, but as classes have ramped up, I admit to having stopped listening to a lot of them since I have very little free time now (I now listen to maybe a couple from Dr. Marshall here and there). You can disagree with Taylor, but to attack him by saying he has no understanding of any of the issues he talks about is just ridiculous. , and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog. The basic distinction between masculine and feminine, and why the sexes are not equal but complementary. but for all negative comments about them. (4-12-20: Easter Sunday, 6:25 AM), Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. Garabandal: Are the Prophecies About to be Fulfilled? Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. Check out some of the. We must not fear differences. Who determines where that is? Ive been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both welltheyre both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELLspoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. Its intolerable, Its a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. Its quite strange, no? That is sad. It is fixable. This situation is one to watch. Ego kills. Look at what the Church says on the matter: Debating an issue is fragging? I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! Ill speak to ANY of these guys Ive ever crossed swords with. The other hypocrisy here is that Marshall said no one may judge the Pope, and they he says, to the Pope, You are wrong on a long series of subjects. For their good and mine and all of us, Im officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. So he wills that there should be, by divine permission, other religions through which the Holy Spirit works, to bring more souls to Him. He injects these fascinating interviews with his own distinctive blend of depth and levity. "The Catholic Monitor" Butchers My View of Papal Lucas Banzoli Misrepresents Chrysostom's Eucharistic Theology. Oh my! No reply. This shouldnt be engaged in public. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daveamarshall-vs-timothy-gordon-michael-voris.html, https://wdtprs.com/2020/04/ask-father-whats-the-truth-about-the-sspx/, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. (5:07 PM), Im not convinced SSPX is in schismatic! College of Saints John Fisher & Thomas More, Donald Trump's 2020 presidential campaign, "The Secret Society of Priests Who Hate Pope Francis", "Not All Evangelicals and Catholics Together", "Why it's harder to become a Catholic than a Protestant", "New priests ordained, church buildings blessed", "Why Won't The New Saint Thomas Institute Respond To Their Customers? Taylor Reed Marshall (born March 29, 1978) is an American Catholic YouTube commentator,[1] former Episcopal Church priest, and former academic, now known for his advocacy of traditionalist Catholicism. He wasn't just a teacher, he was a department chair, and popular with the area's conservative Catholics. Irrelevant. He explains why the communique was well done and why its critics such as Marshall have missed the mark so gravely. . Im saying that formal adherence to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. One has the right to defend ones reputation, For the annals of history: I didnt leave. I was non-renewed against my wishes. Could his heresy on these teachings be merely material? Timothy Gordon replied on 4-13-20, at 8:36 PM and 8:54 PM: Agreed. Get over it. (9:16 PM), Lets have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. The Spirit also works with unbelievers, such as atheists and agnostics, so that they might find salvation by loving their neighbor, and thereby may implicitly know and love God. Irrelevant. But in an April 2020 tweet, Tim said that his contract with Marshall was not renewed "against my wishes." Its not a matter of opinion. Gotta be two-sided though. Sounds a bit petty, but I have noticed there's a lot of division and debate in the Catholic blogosphere regarding the SSPX. Im sorry to say it but he is an ignorant fool. (7:58 PM), I called him yesterday. 163: Is it OK to Criticize Pope Francis? Acta non verba. Oh, really? Line by line commentary by Dr Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon. [27], Marshall met his wife, Joy McPherson, in 1999. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic circles regarding Marshall and Gordon (taking sides, calling the other side uncharitable, etc) and that, somehow, fellow internet Catholic Michael Voris of Church Militant got involved. Reactionary Infiltration of Taylor Marshalls Book, Traditionalism vs. A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP bootlickers, a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. If it is correct great. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. Fro Taylor Marshall to T Gimordon I have listened to Taylor Marshall's videos for 2 years and became acquainted with Tim Gordon. To the Superiors General, I say: genuine Traditional Catholics have your back. You may not prefer your own understanding of the Faith over the teaching of the Papal Magisterium. Yet he also says that no one may judge the Pope. Only one offering mass, confession and benediction for over a month.], For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. Hypocrite. Marshall graduated from Texas A&M University in 2000 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy. But right here, thats a judgment and accusation against the Pope of teaching material heresy. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. Therefore, he has chosen to depart from the Catholic Church. St Paul of Tarsus fought to the death with half the people who crossed his path and he was a very, very great Saint indeed. Then, given our sinfulness and brokenness, God positively wills that there be other religions, such as the Christian denominations, present-day Judaism, and moderate peaceful Islam, so as to bring more souls to Him. . Marshall: I just dont see where anyone on earth can judge the Supreme Pontiff.. Dr. Marshall has a large community of followers on his regular podcast shows, in which he discusses, together with his colleague Timothy Gordon, the new developments and happenings in the Catholic . ). (4-13-20, 12:16 AM). Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. He is, in a video far too tedious to link to, claiming that they are cowards. Whats obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism[.] Marshall then goes on to say that God just wills the Catholic religion. If it is an apologists opinion, not the teaching of the Church I ask, Do you receive the Sacraments from so and so? Do you go to your apologist when you have a problem in your marriage? Where does so and so receive authority to teach? My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to therebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. It has long struck me that the faith has never been so under attack. I can get over combat fast, cuz Ive done a lot of literal and figurative fighting, Im not asserting with certainty that SSPX is in a formal schism. I think youre, closer to my position than Taylors since both of us wont attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will, In the interest Christian unity, Id like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? Only dad does. Steven OReilly made the obvious point in a tweet underneath Timothy Gordons (4-13-20, 5:20 PM): The problem is, in order to unite the clans, as in the analogy, a William Wallace is needed. Press J to jump to the feed. For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were before the Second Vatican Council). But youre not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. I think (all reactionary issues aside for the moment) Timothy Gordon shows himself to be acting as a Christian should (in terms of seeking to reconcile); Taylor Marshall is not acting in such a fashion. (9:54 PM), Just gotta retry each day for unity. I used to believe this nonsense as well. Theyre conceptually different, THIS is the real issue. And since the DOGMA of the First Vatican Council teaches us that no Pope can teach or commit heresy, Marshalls accusation is itself heretical. He was a Catholic for about 13 years. No one has the authority to do that, as the Popes decisions are not subject to review. I dont care about the business model. Then the penalty for heresy and schism is automatic excommunication. The relatio of Vatican I makes it clear that the Fathers of the Council intended to assert as dogma the teaching of Doctor of the Church Saint Robert Bellarmine that the Pope cannot in any way be heretical, or publicly teach heresy. That is why, as he. I enjoyed the interplay between the two and all of a sudden I noticed that there was no more Tim Gordon. Im delighted to see the recognition of Marshalls wacko conspiratorial extremism (better late than never). Lets take this offline, bro. Lets have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. Catholics become schismatics when they reject the Pope as Teacher and Shepherd, when they reject his authority over doctrine and discipline. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months, Did you see how many folks idiotically assumed that I havent been reaching out as a brother in Jan/Feb/March? Hence, we will see divisions and in-fighting amongst the reactionaries when one makes a move further right, because being a reactionary is all about being ones own pope (the more so, the more influential and famous one becomes within the movement). Wherever it leads. If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. Because there are many religions, and why are there many religions? The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. The good part is that its NEVER too late to make up. Justice demands that I set the record straight. "The Catholic Monitor" Butchers My View of Papal "Eucharistic Pharisees" (Communion in the Hand). As if this is what we need right now at this moment in history. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. He did so in defense of a joint letter about the popes Motu proprio, Traditionis Custodes, from The Superiors General of the Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP), the Institute of the Good Shepherd, and a number of other Superiors General of priestly institutes and religious communities attached to the Traditional Mass (including three communities of women). Shall we list the many who have done this? I think it comes dangerously close. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. (2) No Pope can commit apostasy, heresy, or schism, for then his faith would have failed. And God is always trying to bring everyone to salvation, in whatever way they are willing to respond. The answer always insinuates formal adherence to schism. Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. It will not. . (3:54 PM), Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. . 2 or 3 of them. (4-14-20, 4:59 PM). Whats obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism, Thats what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. R4R is going to settle the debate in the coming weeks. Then, too, anyone who stands in judgment over the Pope, violating the teaching and law that no one may judge the Pope, commits the sin of schism. Ill continue to hope.). Timothys brother David (words in purple below) apparently started the current controversy with this tweet: This mainstream trad Catholic dalliance with the schismatic SSPX (canon 751) is beginning to endanger the souls of the faithful and it needs quashing with dispatch. any waypublic or privateto reconcile with TM is good. Meaning inheres in text, not intention. (4-12-20, 9:34 PM). Hes been ignoring me nearly 100% since almost immediately after he said he wouldnt do another year of TNT. (11:39 PM), God bless FSSP! See the pattern there? 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