AB. In September 1959 an announcement was made to the effect that an independent committee of three, headed by Lord Chandos, had been set up to examine the Cunard Company's proposals for replacing the 'Queens'. In early 1955 the QUEEN ELIZABETH was taken out of service for an extended overhaul from 20th January until the end of March. The market could only assume 2,700,000 of the risk. Be that as it may, John Thorneycroft's staff at Southampton were set a formidable task with the QUEEN ELIZABETH's overhaul in January 1953. The stability of the QUEEN MARY has proved ample at all times to make the ship as safe and comfortable as it is possible for any vessel to be when passing through an Atlantic storm.' Commodore Geoffrey Marr compared the departure to the farewell given to the Elizabeth at New York. WebThe Cunard - White Star Liner QUEEN ELIZABETH 1938 - 1972 LIVERPOOL SHIPS ACCRA OF 1947 ELDER DEMPSTER LINES AUREOL ELDER DEMPSTER LINES BRITANNIC and GEORGIC CUNARD WHITE STAR CARINTHIA CUNARD LINE EMPRESS OF BRITAIN CANADIAN PACIFIC EMPRESS OF CANADA LOSS BY FIRE WebLists can also include passengers who were family members of seamen. The Elizabeth carried 5,600 Australian troops to bolster the defences of Egypt against the enemy's incursions into North Africa. It was out of the question for the. However, U.S. legislators had another surprise up their sleeve. Sir Percy Bates told the Southern Railway that it was a question of 'no dry dock, no ship'. From the mid 1940s until the mid 1950s both the 'Queens' were given a short summer overhaul at Southampton. Crew lists and agreements for Indian crew (or lascars) of British registered ships who enlisted on the Indian sub-continent are called Asiatic agreements. In 1972, whilst she was undergoing refurbishment in Hong Kong harbour, a fire broke out aboard under unexplained circumstances, and the ship was capsized by the water used to fight the fire. Whilst on the G.I. He had no experience of handling ships as large as the 'Queens' and off Calshot at the entrance to Southampton Water the QUEEN ELIZABETH ran aground. Barry Claud Barrington. WebNew York State, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1917-1967 to 1962 for NYC (fee-based - at Ancestry) Includes passenger and crew arrival lists (and some departure lists) for vessels that were filed at various ports (such as Binghamton, Buffalo, NYC, Niagara Falls, Oswego, Rochester, Syracuse, and other ports) in the state of New York. For the first time it seemed possible that two ships could be built which would be able to maintain a weekly express service between Southampton and New York, doing the work previously done by three ships. While waiting for the messenger, the ship was refuelled; adjustments to the compass and some final testing of equipment were also carried out before she sailed to her secret destination. Another obvious difference between the two ships was the lack of a forward well deck on the new QUEEN ELIZABETH. INS forms used to record information about passengers, crew members, and aliens: Form 680 or I-480, List or Manifest of Aliens Employed on the Vessel as Members of the Crew (used in 1945) Form I-481, List or Manifest of all Persons Employed on a Great Lakes Vessel (used in 1945) WebRMS Queen Mary: 80,774 GRT: 1936: Currently a Hotel ship 16 October 1946 (entered service) RMS Queen Elizabeth: 83,673 GRT: 314 m (1,031 ft) 1946 1972 (Destroyed by fire) Scrapped in 1974 (after sinking) 3 February 1962 (entered service) SS France (1962-1980) SS Norway (post-1980) 66,343 GRT(as built) 76,049 GRT (final size) They include registers of engagement, articles of agreement, registers of discharge, registers of deserters, and employment history records. The QUEEN ELIZABETH almost ready for launching, The QUEEN ELIZABETH towers over the tenements of Clydebank. Shuttle' the two Queens were never in the same port at the same time, and the schedules avoided either ship lying at anchor at Gourock during the period of full moon. Rodaway Thomas. The Company had replaced a number of its smaller ships, but there were no large replacements for the express service at the planning stage. The QUEEN ELIZABETH dominates a cricket match during. Harland & Wolff found itself in a peculiar situation. However, Commodore Bisset was not happy with the location of the quay alongside which the Elizabeth was berthed and considered it too exposed should a strong south-east wind blow up; the resulting swell would cause the ship to range back and forth, possibly breaking her moorings. [7], On the day RMS Queen Mary sailed on her maiden voyage, Cunard's chairman, Sir Percy Bates, informed his ship designers, headed by George Paterson, that it was time to start designing the planned second ship. The salvage attempt at the first suitable high tide failed and the Elizabeth had to wait until 17th April when at 8.40pm she was finally pulled off the mud. Winter cruises from New York to the West Indies were poorly patronised and one was cancelled and replaced with an unscheduled Atlantic crossing. These are not two separate documents but one and the same thing; you may see them referred to simply as crew lists, or sometimes simply as agreements. Tung and contained much well looked after second hand tonnage within its fleet. The QUEEN ELIZABETH at anchor at the Tail of the Bank in the Firth, of Clyde as John Brown's workmen transform her from a troopship. When a speed of 25 knots had been reached and maintained for one hour, the escorting warships were informed that the 'engine trials' had been satisfactory and that there was no objection to their standing down. Just after midnight on 25th September 1967 the two 'Queens' passed each other in mid-Atlantic, the QUEEN MARY makingher final eastbound transatlantic crossing. On 26th July 1933, King George V and Queen Mary sailed into the new dock in the royal yacht VICTORIA AND ALBERT to perform the opening ceremony. Tung's great ship was reconditioned and converted into the ship of his dreams. The Cunard policy of the two-ship express service was thoroughly sound and at the same time economic. After disembarking the U.S. troops at Sydney on 6th April 1942, the QUEEN ELIZABETH remained in port for thirteen days before sailing for Fremantle on 19th April. After 1972 only two 10% samples of crew lists and agreements have been preserved. [citation needed]. 534 was laid on 27th December 1930. The Japanese wanted her for a marine science museum in time for the 1970 Tokyo World Fair. [26] The vessel was sold at auction in 1970 to Hong Kong tycoon Tung Chao Yung.[9]. [10] She was to be eleven feet longer and 4,000 tons greater displacement than her older sibling, Queen Mary. These had been floated down the Clyde in order to reduce the liner's weight and thus reduce her draught during that short critical journey. As required by law, Commodore Bisset obligingly raised the Cunarder's recognition flags 'G B S S'. The majority of the QUEEN ELIZABETH's crew left for home on Cunard's SCYTHIA, leaving just 143 men to form a skeleton crew. With ' Queen Mary' she provided weekly luxury liner service between Southampton in the United Kingdom and New York City in the United States, via Cherbourg in France. RMS Queen Elizabeth, World's Largest Liner. 1947-02-13 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1947-05-24 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1947-09-11 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1948-05-14 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1948-06-24 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1948-10-31 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1949-05-06 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1949-08-27 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1949-10-14 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1950-11-16 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1952-05-07 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1952-06-18 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1953-06-11 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1954-08-26 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List, 1954-12-23 RMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger List. This would have been the OCEANIC, whose keel was laid at Harland & Wolff's yard in 1928. Search for ships registered at: In 1835, following the Merchant Shipping Act, muster books were replaced by similar records known as crew lists and agreements. The extent of original materials at the GG Archives can be very beneficial when researching your family's migration from Europe. With potentially upward of 500 crew requiring to scramble up from their quarters below, the sheer climb would have presented quite a hazard, particularly in bad weather and at a time of emergency. WebRMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger Lists 1947-1954 RMS Queen Elizabeth, World's Largest Liner. The two-funnelled MAURETANIA and the, SYLVANIA are berthed at Pier 92. The hull was cut into sections of up to 250 tons each and, in all, some 45,000 tons of metal were lifted from the wreck. Marr recommended that Seawise University be towed to the New Territories, but Tung and his crew were convinced that they could sail the ship there using just the aft engines and boilers. On her next voyage, the week before the maiden voyage of the UNITED STATES, the QUEEN ELIZABETH averaged 31.09 knots for one day's run. A/CPO Lornie Peter Barnard. At 3.50pm the Cumbraes were once again abeam and the QUEEN ELIZABETH anchored at the Tail of the Bank at 5.pm. To a post-war Britain she was to become what the, The QUEEN ELIZABETH left Southampton on 30th March 1946 and arrived and anchored off Greenock the following day. Although the QUEEN ELIZABETH could carry 2,200 passengers, the number would be limited to about 1,200 whilst cruising. The 1966 strike cost Cunard an estimated 3.75 million in lost revenue and brought the total operating loss for the year to over 6 million. For $7.75 the QUEEN ELIZABETH was sold to a group of Philadelphia businessmen. At 11.15am the QUEEN ELIZABETH weighed anchor and was abeam the Cumbraes an hour later. was given a coloured disc or card (red, white or blue) and this indicated the section of the ship in which he must remain during the voyage. This limited the turn-round at both Southampton and New York to just 36 hours which by current standards sounds very leisurely indeed! Early in the afternoon of 9th November a large, two-funnelled steamer was sighted, some six to seven miles away. Throughout the 'G.I. The first-class main lounge on the QUEEN ELIZABETH. In addition, the following types of lists were introduced used between 1835 until 1856: Agreements for Foreign Going or Foreign Trade ships (Schedule A) ", The promenade deck main square on the QUEEN ELIZABETH. WebRMS Queen Elizabeth History Pages. Following the end of the Second World War, Queen Elizabeth was refitted and furnished as an ocean liner,[9] while her running mate Queen Mary remained in her wartime role and grey appearance except for her funnels, which were repainted in the company's colours. For the purpose of this list, they have been included as Cunard ships. They hold 70% of the surviving crew lists and agreements for this period. Evangelist Billy Graham offered 2.1 million for her to become a floating bible school, and the United States Institute of Technology wanted her to become a floating university. Tung, the head of the Orient Overseas Line, intended to convert the vessel into a university for the World Campus Afloat program (later reformed and renamed as Semester at Sea). Like a Greek tragedy the tale of woe gathered force. WebLists can also include passengers who were family members of seamen. From 1845 onwards the following lists were being used: Schedules C, D and A, B, G. In New York she found herself moored alongside both Queen Mary and the French Line's Normandie, the only time all three of the world's largest ocean liners were ever berthed together. WebRMS Queen Elizabeth Passenger Lists 1947-1954 RMS Queen Elizabeth, World's Largest Liner. the NORMANDIE, the QUEEN MARY and the QUEEN ELIZABETH. This, it is stated, is the largest number carried in any transatlantic ship during the year and gives an average of 1,593 passengers in each sailing. The National Maritime Museum holds 10% of agreements and crew lists for 1951-1976. These earlier records were organised by port of registry and then alphabetically by name of ship (see the respective sections below for advice on finding earlier records). They demanded 50 per man danger money-cum-bonus, but were given 30 plus 5 per month extra pay. Their 10% of the surviving records are, in general, for years ending with five (1865, 1875, and so on), though they do hold records for some other years too. Queen Elizabeth's 'cherished wish' that she might someday sail in the liner was fulfilled in October 1954 when, by now Queen Mother, she embarked at the beginning of a tour to the United States and Canada. May 11 - 16 First time more than 10,000 persons had traveled on any ship (9,880 troops, 875 crew). The records held are for years ending with five (1955, 1965, and so on).https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/research-guides/research-guide-c12-merchant-navy-ship-registration-custom-house-records. The main record series for muster books isBT 98. A southbound run produced a speed of 29.75 knots. Later that day, at the time when she was due to arrive at Southampton, the city was bombed by the Luftwaffe. WebThe eight ships which were passed into the ownership of the new concern were - ALPS, ANDES, BRITISH QUEEN, DAMASCUS, LEBANON, KARNAK, TENERIFFE and TAURUS. Other than silt found in some inlets, there was very little evidence of the grounding. Use this section for advice on finding crew lists and agreements from 1835 up to 1999. Queen Mary was retired from service on 9 December 1967, and sold to the city of Long Beach, California. In late 1968, Queen Elizabeth was sold to the Elizabeth Corporation, with 15% of the company controlled by a group of Philadelphia businessmen and 85% retained by Cunard. After V.E. She did, however, remain all the while under Cunard management with British officers and crew. As a result only twelve boilers were needed for the QUEEN ELIZABETH, rather than the twenty-four in the Mary. An alternative was serving in the Merchant Navy, and the prospect of earning 2 a week in the forces, or being well paid in the merchant service proved to be a one-sided choice for many youngsters. After the formal speeches had been completed there was a pause as high tide and slack water were awaited. A/CPO Lornie Peter Barnard. Keel laid on December 4, 1936. WW2 Service: Throughout World War II she served as a very valuable troopship, completing the long period of duty in March 1946. The first meeting of the two 'Queens' at sea - off Sydney Heads in 1941. The whole affair turned into a spectacular fiasco as the 'Mary' was undercrewed and had to cross the equator twice without the benefit of air-conditioning. Cabins designed for two passengers were equipped with. Two months later the purchasers realised that the river was not deep enough. Some 10,000 men could, perhaps, be carried in safety according to the lifeboat and liferaft capacity of the ship, but it was considered that the extra 5,000 men who were carried in summer and not provided for in the life-saving equipment were worth the risk, based on the Elizabeth's existing records of speed and reliability. [5] She was launched on 27 September 1938 and named in honour of Queen Elizabeth, who was later known as the Queen Mother. In late 1961 Cunard installed fruit machines (popularly known as one-armed bandits) on the QUEEN ELIZABETH and was immediately criticised for resorting to such a revenue-producing device on a luxury liner of this class. [32], After the fire, Tung had one of the liner's anchors and the metal letters "Q" and "E" from the name on the bow placed in front of the office building at Del Amo Fashion Center in Torrance, California, which had been intended as the headquarters of the Seawise University venture;[33][34] they later went on display with commemorative plaques in the lobby of Wall Street Plaza, 88 Pine Street, New York City. The Cunard Line carried 177,547 passengers across the North Atlantic in 1961, 30,000 below the previous year's total. The QUEEN ELIZABETH in dry dock at Esquimalt, Vancouver Island, BC. This will findBT 98/6795which covers ships numbers 25801-25834 for the year 1860. On 8th May 1967, the axe finally fell and it was announced that the QUEEN ELIZABETH would be withdrawn a year earlier than originally planned - in the Autumn of 1968 after a final summer on the Western Ocean. They were huge sitting targets in a hostile ocean. The ELIZABETH (the prefix 'Queen' was dropped at Cunard's request) was opened to the public on 14th February 1969. Her carrying capacity was over 15,000 troops and over 900 crew. In writing to Cammell Laird, Sir Percy said that he was not entirely confident that it could deal with such a large ship and that in particular they might not be able to move the ship into their fitting-out basin. Her secret sailing was under British Government regulations, so as to lessen the danger of being sunk by the Germans. With ' Queen Mary' she provided weekly luxury liner service between Southampton in the United Kingdom and New York City in the United States, via Cherbourg in France. It was an hour before fire fighting tugs arrived at the scene, and after four hours of futile effort the liner was left to burn herself out. Three years later it was announced that the QUEEN ELIZABETH would return to the Clyde in December 1965 for extensive improvements by her builders, John Brown & Company. WebNew York State, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1917-1967 to 1962 for NYC (fee-based - at Ancestry) Includes passenger and crew arrival lists (and some departure lists) for vessels that were filed at various ports (such as Binghamton, Buffalo, NYC, Niagara Falls, Oswego, Rochester, Syracuse, and other ports) in the state of New York. Great steps forward were being made in both these fields. Photographed on the QUEEN ELIZABETH, sometime. THE CUNARD WHITE STAR LINER QUEEN ELIZABETH. REINA DEL PACIFICO PACIFIC STEAM NAVIGATION. Each piece in this series covers a number of ships and therefore appears in our catalogue as a range of numbers. Her propellers thrashed the shallow water into billowing clouds of yellow and black as sand and mud were churned up from the sea bed. I have agreed in principle." Many thanks to Ted Finch for his assistance in collecting this data. The now retired Commodore Marr and a former chief engineer of the ship were hired by Tung as advisors for the journey to Hong Kong. These agreements had to be filed within 24 hours of the ships return to a UK port. WebThe National Records of Scotland holds agreements and crew lists under the reference BT 3, covering 1867-1913, for Scottish ships only. During this time, and for a while after, she was under American control through a lend-lease agreement. Following the 1854 Merchant Shipping Act, both the master and seaman had to sign a Certificate of Discharge and Character (E-1) on termination of a voyage. Other than for Southampton's Albion Band, the quayside was almost bereft of well-wishers. On 7th August 1946 the QUEEN ELIZABETH entered the King George V dry dock where her 140-ton rudder was inspected. On 8th November the QUEEN ELIZABETH sailed on a 'Farewell Cruise' to Las Palmas and Gibraltar, and was back at Southampton on 15th November. One detonation was heard. WebHMS Queen Elizabeth during the Second World War 1939-1945. Check the opening hours and contact details for local archives usingfind an archive. The QUEEN ELIZABETH at the fitting-out berth at John Brown's shipyard. The QUEEN MARY still holds the Blue Riband with her 1938 eastbound crossing at 31.69 knots, and that is quite good enough. A parakeet flew in through an open porthole at New York and quickly became the mascot of the ship's officers who bought him a fancy cage and named him Joey. A week after her arrival at Gourock, the QUEEN ELIZABETH sailed for Suez on 17th June (via Freetown and Simonstown) with reinforcements for the British Eighth Army to help stem Rommel's advance towards the Canal. L.Sea. August 2 - 7 First time a complete division was carried on any ship. The liner's new owners were by now in financial difficulty and Cunard stepped in to moderate a worsening situation by more or less taking over the new venture. We can either copy our records onto paper or deliver them to you digitally, Visit us in Kew to see original documents or view online records for free, Consider paying for Listing Includes Date Voyage Began, Steamship Line, Vessel, Passenger Class and Route. Tonnage: 83,673. Originally vetoing the idea of allowing her portrait to be hung in the ship when the liner was launched, Queen Elizabeth had now relented. Mr Tung proposed to name his ship the SEAWISE UNIVERSITY. The new liner had a weight on the slipway of 39,400 tons. The work, Cunard estimated, would cost 750,000. As a result only twelve boilers were needed for the QUEEN ELIZABETH, rather than the twenty-four in the, Another obvious difference between the two ships was the lack of a forward well deck on the new QUEEN ELIZABETH. The Elizabeth sailed at 8.pm. Although the 'Queens' could easily manage 27 or 28 knots, they were reduced to the convoy's common speed of around 20 knots. The ships are listed alphabetically by name in the paper catalogue. These agreements are unlikely to be held in any archive in the UK, but if any do survive, they may be in the archives of shipping companies such as P&O or the British India Steam Navigation Company, or in the East India Company Archives held at the British Library. Log books were deposited after each foreign voyage, or half-yearly for home trade ships. With the forward well deck omitted, a more refined hull shape was achieved, and a sharper, raked bow was added for a third bow-anchor point. The two funnels were self-supporting and braced internally to give a cleaner-looking appearance. This was known as a 'degaussing' coil. Early in July 1936 Stephen Piggot (the managing director of John Brown) wrote to Sir Percy Bates saying that Yard No.535 had been reserved for the new ship. The QUEEN MARY and the QUEEN ELIZABETH met for the last time when they were both at sea. The following day, 8th October, four hundred guests of the Cunard Company boarded the QUEEN ELIZABETH for the return passage to Southampton. As well as state-of-the-art weaponry and communications systems, HMS Queen Elizabeth boasts five gyms, a chapel and a medical centre. Six years of war service had never permitted the formal sea trials to take place, so they were now finally undertaken. WebThe National Records of Scotland holds agreements and crew lists under the reference BT 3, covering 1867-1913, for Scottish ships only. The Directors were faced with the almost unbelievable fact that the gross revenue of the Company for the year was calculated to be nearly 2.5 million down on 1930. They were filed at the Register Office of Merchant Seamen, the forerunner of the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). The QUEEN ELIZABETH approaching the north side of Pier 90 at New York. 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