He wasn't positive. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. Put on some headphones and listen. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. No comments. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. ">> "Victor what can I say. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Mandy was not the same woman. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. NG was :>the realization of that potential. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the ", "Victor what can I say. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). and> pleading with her to take off her mask? But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Barcaluv. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. How? I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. Is that how > you> would describe it? And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? > He didn't recognise her voice. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. >>What else could he call it? The Daily Planet may go under too. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. Desire is always Other. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. > Take another listen. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. How? Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Orgy? ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? --Napoleon. It was a party nevertheless. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. 2. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? andpleading with her to take off her mask? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? What a joke to call them "philosophers." Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<> "I saw her body in the morgue. He wasn't positive. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? OT. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! > Mandy was not the same woman. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Was she the women at the party?" You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Amazing. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." Same voice. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. Take another listen. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. EWS was potential. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). Before warning him, the ANSWERS: 4. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. 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