ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. JavaScript is disabled. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. bullet wins the wind deflection category. It does have a dark side, though. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. And in the chambers of their rifles. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. It made sense for me. JavaScript is disabled. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Minuteman. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? Minuteman. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. Mag. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. You are using an out of date browser. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. After all the smoke and toasted barrels cleared, I came to my own conclusion that the 7-300 win mag was the winner when all aspects are considered. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. $94.95 $79.95. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Been looking for a while. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? They sharpened the shoulder angle. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. rick smith. Full-magnum action long. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Mag. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. Mag. . I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Mag. The difference might surprise you. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. ammo. You are using an out of date browser. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Both were introduced in 2001. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Its a criterion 26 barrel. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. You must log in or register to reply here. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). Either is good. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Neither caught on, but American shooters were certainly beginning to recognize the potential for 7mm cartridges. 12 Gauge 1". I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr But they didnt shorten anything. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Trustpilot. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. I did 7remmag. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. I think the 7saum is here to stay. Full Member. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm WSM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.860", maximum case length 2.100". Mag. Thanks. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. Buy Now. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. 7mm RemMag. More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. JavaScript is disabled. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. 7mm SAUM vs 7mm Rem Mag | Full Comparison 24,889 views Sep 12, 2020 306 Dislike Share Save GunFather Precision 6.7K subscribers To answer a question I regularly get asked here is a full. . FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Buy Now. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. I went 7SAUM. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. The SAUM will be built on a long action. and a high B.C. This rings home with me. Full Member. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. The belt has never been an issue for me. Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? LRHTB. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. ADG 300 PRC Brass. $120.95. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. Retumbo. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. Mag. Mag. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Mag. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. Howdy. I think the 7saum is here to stay. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. 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